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  terrorists and mob linked? (Goodfellas)
Posted: 4:46:23 pm on 10/1/2006 Modified: Never
 

http://www.comcast.net/news/index.jsp?cat=GENERAL&fn=/2006/10/01/489356.html&cvqh=itn_osamasopranos

WASHINGTON - The FBI's top counterterrorism official harbors lots of concerns: weapons of mass destruction, undetected homegrown terrorists and the possibility that old-fashioned mobsters will team up with al-Qaida for the right price.

Though there is no direct evidence yet of organized crime collaborating with terrorists, the first hints of a connection surfaced in a recent undercover FBI operation. Agents stopped a man with alleged mob ties from selling missiles to an informant posing as a terrorist middleman.

That case and other factors are heightening concerns about a real-life episode of the Sopranos teaming with Osama bin Laden's followers.

"We are continuing to look for a nexus," said Joseph Billy Jr., the FBI's top counterterrorism official. "We are looking at this very aggressively."

The new strategy involves an analysis of nationwide criminal investigations, particularly white collar crime, side by side with intelligence and terrorist activity.

"We have developed an ability to look harder and broader in a greatly enhanced way to see if there is any crossover," Billy said in an interview with The Associated Press.

Organized crime syndicates could facilitate money transfers or laundering, human smuggling, identification fraud or explosives and weapons acquisitions, officials said.

The options are many for terrorists groups.

There are the five reputed La Cosa Nostra families in New York, Russian criminal enterprises from Brighton Beach in the New York borough of Brooklyn to Moscow, and the emerging Asian crime syndicates that operate in many Islamic countries with al-Qaida offshoots.

A contract study produced recently for the Pentagon and obtained by the AP warned that the potential for organized crime assisting terrorists is growing.

"Although terrorism and organized crime are different phenomena, the important fact is that terrorist and criminal networks overlap and cooperate in some enterprises," the study said. "The phenomenon of the synergy of terrorism and organized crime is growing because similar conditions give rise to both and because terrorists and organized criminals use similar approaches to promote their operations."

The traditional mafia has highly developed networks for acquiring goods and services and money, all for a price.

The mob's potential interest in helping a terrorist has nothing to do with ideology or sympathy but with greed, said Matt Heron, head of New York FBI's organized crime unit.

"They will deal with anybody, if they can make a buck," Heron said. "They will sell to a terrorist just as easily as they would sell to an order of Franciscan monks. It's a business relationship to them."

"If the mob has explosives and a terrorist wants them and they have the money, they could become instant friends," he said.

Pat D'Amuro, a retired senior FBI official and now chief executive of Giuliani Security, said a Mafia boss once acknowledged that the mob would help terrorists.

"I am aware of a high-level Mafia figure, who was cooperating with authorities, being asked if the Mafia would assist terrorists in smuggling people into Europe through Italy," D'Amuro said. "He said, 'The Mafia will help who ever can pay.'"

Officials said they have no specific evidence that such a relationship has been cemented. But concerns were heightened last year after an Armenian immigrant was arrested in New York for allegedly leading a plot to sell military weapons to an FBI informant posing as a middleman for terrorists.

Arthur Solomonyan had claimed to be able to deliver shoulder-fired missiles from his connection in Russian organized crime to the informant, who claimed to have ties to al-Qaida, federal prosecutors said. Solomonyan and 17 others in New York, Florida and California were charged in the case.

Solomonyan is scheduled for trial this month. His lawyer, Seth Ginsberg, said he plans to "vigorously contest" the charges and call the government's confidential informant to the stand to challenge his motives. The Italian, Russian, and Asian mafia remain active, particularly in New York, even though the government has successfully prosecuted numerous figures in recent years.

In the past three years, well over 100 associates from all five La Cosa Nostra families have been arrested in New York, Heron noted.

While the potential of a gangster-terrorist marriage is on the FBI's radar, homegrown terror cells and weapons of mass destruction are also big concerns for those in the FBI given the job of stopping the next terrorist attack.

"We are not only aware that they want to come across the ocean to attack us but they may be physically here developing in our own homeland," Billy said.

The Internet has become the new Afghanistan, allowing terrorist sympathizers to promote their radical ideas and to recruit and train followers right their home computers. That makes it far more difficult for investigators to identify them.

Billy said his biggest concern remains weapons of mass destruction. While Hezbollah and Hamas are more defined terrorist groups, with a territorial focus and a political platform, al-Qaida is more unpredictable.

"We know they were trying to acquire it prior to 9/11, bin Laden's own words said that," said Billy. "What makes us think they are still not trying?"


 
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  Re: terrorists and mob linked? (curious)
Posted: 10:28:38 pm on 10/1/2006 Modified: Never
 

Still want to believe that the old timers would be too patrioctic to do anything like that.

I can't believe that they would help bring this country down. No why!!


 
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  Re: terrorists and mob linked? (difronzo)
Posted: 12:32:35 am on 10/2/2006 Modified: Never
 

Yeah I ve should thought that this will come one day. I guess some FEDs need to justify their own activity and they get this stupid story to explain that  adminstraton should not cut the funds to mob surveillance.

I guess its easier to play cops and mobs than to chase a terrorist network which is backed by thousands of billions $ and is allegedly connected to every spot in the world from Dubai to Yugoslavia and from pakistan to New York.

And by the way how the docks sale to arabs fit within this strategy?

These r my 2 cents for today

 

Chris


 
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  Re: terrorists and mob linked? (Iceman)
Posted: 12:34:22 am on 10/2/2006 Modified: Never
 

I dont think al qeada will trust the mob because of its vunerabilities in being infilitrated by law enforcement and the number of rats. They probably see it as a risk, maybe in th drug trade these groups will meet because in the drug business you cannot be pickey with who you deal with.


 
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  Re: terrorists and mob linked? (unionbug1958)
Posted: 8:38:38 pm on 10/2/2006 Modified: Never
 
I think you can be picky these days. Nobody needs American cosa nostra to do drug business. There are a million reasons why neither side would approach theother but the government is just slinging shit here. Jr. Gotti isnot a threat and neither is anyone whose name any of us knows. Does the government knownames we don't? Probably, but unless they spill thebeans I won't beleive them.
 
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  Re: terrorists and mob linked? (jay)
Posted: 9:16:22 pm on 10/2/2006 Modified: Never
 

Union

I agree with you. You have to know that others besides us who watch OC must ask the question 'why are the FBI still devoting resources to LCN?'. If anything this third mistrial on the Junior Gotti case and also how so many plea out these days should be proof that the FBI is still hot to trot in making headlines as it relates LCN. Issues such as border security although I am very pro immigration and national security are far more important to me.-jay


 
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  Re: terrorists and mob linked? (Ivan)
Posted: 4:26:41 pm on 10/3/2006 Modified: Never
 

"There are the five reputed La Cosa Nostra families in New York"

How are they "reputed" cosa nostra families?


 
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  Re: terrorists and mob linked? (pattyboy)
Posted: 7:01:14 am on 10/4/2006 Modified: Never
 
The Sicilian Mafia has been partnered up with various "terrorist" groups to aide in the smuggling of heroin and hashish, and it's distribution in Europe.
 
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  Re: terrorists and mob linked? (mister magoo)
Posted: 6:40:44 pm on 10/4/2006 Modified: Never
 
Let's not forget that the Greatest Terrorist Organizarion AND Organized Crime outfit is The CIA....drug-dealing and terrorist acts on a Global scale
 
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  Re: terrorists and mob linked? (pattyboy)
Posted: 7:53:22 am on 10/5/2006 Modified: Never
 
How do you think that works, Magoo?? The CIA, through long standing ties to various heavily armed groups in opium producing countries exacts a street tax to facilitate the flow of heroin or raw materials necessary for it's production??

I'm fully sold on the CIA or other nameless gov't groups using the often facist leaning groups to their advantage and taking a cut from the heroin they sell. The Corsicans in Vietnam and Laos, the Taliban, the Pakistani gov't(to me, it's a Narco--Republic as much as Mexico or Colombia) the Sicilian Mafia also has always supported the right. The CIA has dealt with all of them.

To me, that is the extent of their involvement, I don't see how a more direct handling of the drug business is possible.

You'll probably tell me to read The Great Heroin Coup, right?

26 days clean today...mammasantisima!!!!
 
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  Re: terrorists and mob linked? (rtype)
Posted: 10:21:38 am on 10/5/2006 Modified: Never
 
I think it's funny that everyone refuses to believe the Mob would be involved with terrorists. It's not like we're talking about the boy scouts. I thought wiseguys were told that the government was an enemy state when they were made? Why should they support the government that up until 9/11 was busy putting them away forever with RICO indictments?

Besides, it's not like the mafia would be planning the attacks. In the eyes of the government, aiding terrorists could be something like selling someone a handgun or obtaining false documents.


 
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  Re: terrorists and mob linked? (mister magoo)
Posted: 12:50:37 am on 10/5/2006 Modified: 12:53:27 am on 10/5/2006
 
Pattyboy....the book "Double Deal" was the corroborating evidence that many had been waiting for. CIA has operated their own Airfields, Port Facilities, Shipping/Import/Export Companies for over 40 years. They DON'T have to worry about CUSTOMS at all !! Even today if a CIA/NSA agent goes to board a plane he DOESN'T have to go through Security or have his baggage searched-he's waved through...that's how the plane in Lockerbie Scotland got blown up (another Foreign News story U.S. citizens know NOTHING about; CIA Agents boarded the plane at the last minute , didn't have their suitcases checked and the plane blew-up over Lockerbie killing everyone...families sued The CIA and U.S. Gov. and WON as it was revealed the CIA Agents thought they had a suitcase full of Heroin but in fact they were given a bomb by Libyans. As we speak, Pattyboy, containers of high-grade heroin are being off-loaded right now at half-dozen Military Harbours in the U.S. with the CIA having full Harbour Security priviledges.
 
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  Re: terrorists and mob linked? (mercurydancer)
Posted: 1:44:57 pm on 10/5/2006 Modified: Never
 

hey pattyboy

Good to see you and clean too

The worst is over now...take the opportunity now cos you may not have another recovery in you.


 
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  Re: terrorists and mob linked? (pattyboy)
Posted: 2:51:11 pm on 10/5/2006 Modified: Never
 
Thanks Merc, very true.
 
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  Re: terrorists and mob linked? (Albert)
Posted: 6:55:10 pm on 10/16/2006 Modified: Never
 

It was and may still be; that Ohio's Mafia controls the FBI and CIA and other intelligence agencies and North Carolina, I believe is run by Ohio's ;So! Fort Brag is where the Afganistan horse is probably stabling at!

The Jews in Ohio I think probably hold the most FBI positions. They look like President Bush's policy secretary "Kaplan"

Joel D. Kaplan, Deputy Chief of Staff for Policybeware of Jews with straight hair.


 
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